Friday, December 16, 2005

A slightly new look

Never mind, I didn't like the wide look - and neither did anyone else :)

We resume our regularly scheduled programming....

A slightly new look today – I noticed a lot of people were going for the “wide” look and feel and thought I’d give it a try as well. The links to other blogs and archives for this blog are now at the bottom of the front page (with an anchor link at the top to find them easily enough).

It will give more room for examples/code samples when I use them – and gets more to fit on the screen at one time – which I like.

Anyway, feedback is accepted (but not necessarily always followed!)

Stumbled upon this page – it reminded me of a recent blog entry. Some of my favorite quips/quotes from that page are:

  • Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. (Thant Tessman)

  • Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to sharpen sticks. (Thant Tessman)

  • If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor and when was the last time you needed one? (Tom Cargill)

  • Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling to get out. (Bjarne Stroustrup)

  • There are only two things wrong with C++: The initial concept and the implementation. (Bertrand Meyer)

  • It has been discovered that C++ provides a remarkable facility for concealing the trival details of a program -- such as where its bugs are. (David Keppel)


Anonymous Anonymous said....

T, is the "wide look" pretty straight forward? i'd like to try the same, tx

Fri Dec 16, 12:13:00 PM EST  

Blogger Marcio said....

Suggestion! When you have to put a sample code in code style you might try use tag <pre>
-your code-

I do this all of the time in my blog.


Fri Dec 16, 01:03:00 PM EST  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

the only thing I changed in my template was this part.. I got rid of the fixed width components and added pad/margins

/* Content
----------------------------------------------- */
#content {
margin:0 auto;
#main {
margin:0 25px 25px;
padding:0 25px 25px;
#sidebar {
margin:0 25px 25px;
padding:0 25px 25px;

Fri Dec 16, 01:16:00 PM EST  

Blogger shrek said....

i'm not sure yet about the wide look. i like the narrow myself.

oh, and grasshoppers DO taste better then treebark. trust me. and yes i have had both. why? that's a long damn story.;-)

Fri Dec 16, 01:21:00 PM EST  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

I'm not 100% sure either - I have my old template, might put it back. I'll give it a day or two to get used to it.

Fri Dec 16, 01:30:00 PM EST  

Blogger Bob B said....

My suggestions:
a) Put the asktom and rss links at the very top.
b) Archives and recent entries side by side
c) Blogs you like last
d) Put your "about me" section at the top

a) Makes it easier for people to find AskTom and your rss feed.

b) Saves a little space and groups similar things together

c) This is sort of an after effect

d) So new readers can base some of their opinion on your opening statement. Also gives a feel of more credibility. I find blogs with someone's picture at the top "feel" "safer".

Take 'em or leave 'em :-)

Fri Dec 16, 01:33:00 PM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....


Bark of conifers was so important in the diet of some tribes that at least one tribe, the Adirondacks, owe their name to the Mohawk term for "tree eaters."


Fri Dec 16, 01:34:00 PM EST  

Blogger Tarry said....

mmm..don't like it, TK. I'd go back to the older look.

Fri Dec 16, 01:54:00 PM EST  

Blogger Alberto Dell'Era said....

Why not trying a fixed-width font as well, very good for code snippets and very "technical" ...

I think you'd be better restricting the width of the text window - it's not very readable right now, I have to move the head from left to right continuosly to follow the sentences, or strain the eye muscles :(

Fri Dec 16, 02:13:00 PM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

Nope. Dont like it either. It gets even worse when you have an extra wide laptop .15.4" and you got to move your head left/right to read ^^

Fri Dec 16, 02:14:00 PM EST  

Blogger Howard J. Rogers said....


Wide is good. Wide white on white background just looks odd. Wide white on white background with all the important links tucked away at the bottom of the page is just... well, no, basically. (The link to the links doesn't really count. If you can make a link stay at the top of your page, then make the links it points to do the same in the first place).

But wide doesn't have to mean 'throw all ergonomics and useability out the window'. Two column wide is perfectly do-able. But if you're going to have top-of-page links instead of side links, then horizontal rules to separate them from the text is important.

If you want to experiment, why not just take a look at what other blog templates Blogger has to offer? Some of them are awful, and some of them are very nice.

Fri Dec 16, 02:19:00 PM EST  

Blogger Howard J. Rogers said....

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Fri Dec 16, 02:43:00 PM EST  

Blogger Howard J. Rogers said....

I'm glad the old look-and-feel is back. But why not adjust the fixed width element in your CSS so that you make the 'central column' of the blog wider by about 150 pixels on each side? Then you'd still have the two column look. You'd still have a satisfying, eye-pleasing border around your text. But you'd also get a bit of extra width for the stuff where you'd like to put code snippets etc.

Fri Dec 16, 02:43:00 PM EST  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

Howard - good idea, I've made it a bit wider, I like that.

I am so graphically challenged. I always hated doing user interfaces - give me that back room server stuff.

Courier rules.

Fri Dec 16, 03:27:00 PM EST  

Blogger Pete_S said....

I hated my new style too... But I think i changed mine 30 nanoseconds before you did!

I'll still get my daughter to redo it for me next week!

Fri Dec 16, 03:30:00 PM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

The look should be like PL/SQL code. It should fit on one screen...:) Please, the earlier look was better. This one makes it hard to read.

Fri Dec 16, 03:44:00 PM EST  

Blogger Howard J. Rogers said....

Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling to get out.

Just the one??

Fri Dec 16, 05:49:00 PM EST  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

It should fit on one screen..

what is your screen size? I tested this at 1024x768 and the entire thing fits side to side using IE or Firefox (with room to spare actually)

Fri Dec 16, 05:58:00 PM EST  

Blogger Roderick said....

Actually, the wide look made it tough for my lazy eye, but at least it was easy to adjust for it by narrowing my browser window. I haven't figured out a workaround to widen text when a page is displayed in fixed columns that are too narrow though. :-)
The Blogger editor seems to require alot of hacking to change styles within a posting to make code listings stand out more (and make those changes stick). You can see an effort in my blog, but apparently it is screwed up in some browsers, so still a work in progress - and I'll gladly accept suggestions on how to fix it.

My Word Verification: "rolapbi" Whoa! How odd is that?

Fri Dec 16, 10:09:00 PM EST  

Blogger Howard J. Rogers said....

If there is one thing I would change now, it's the fact that your entire background is white. If you had a different colour for the left- and right-margins, it would 'frame' the page better, and not give rise to the visual illusion that the entire screen is being taken up by text.

If you look at Pete Finnegan's blog, he frames everything in double-lines. David Aldridge: green bars. Jeff Hunter: grey bars. Me: olive bars. The very page where you submit comments: tan bars. The framing effect is quite powerful in 'taming' the eye.

Fri Dec 16, 10:34:00 PM EST  

Blogger Robert said....

I am so graphically challenged. I always hated doing user interfaces

Outsource it to Alan

Sat Dec 17, 03:13:00 AM EST  

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