Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Podcast from OOW 2008

Stirring Up Controversy


...Tom Kyte sits down with Oracle Magazine editor Tom Haunert at Oracle OpenWorld 2008 and stirs things up in this conversation about Oracle OpenWorld happenings, a new approach to publishing, and the trouble with triggers. ...



Anonymous Anonymous said....

partially confused as to what the big announcements were - was it beehive? Warehouse appliance?

Tue Sep 23, 03:50:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Drew said....

What's the book about? *please say analytics...please say analytics...*

Tue Sep 23, 04:35:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Doug Cowles said....

This has nothing to do with your last post. I could have sworn within the last few months, you had discovered a new website that you said you would be visiting more often. It was similar to digg and reddit but moderated more by experts. I looked through the blog index for posts relating to digg and reddit and coulnd't find it. Do you have any idea what I am talking about?

Tue Sep 23, 05:18:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

To Doug:


Tue Sep 23, 06:27:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Stew Ashton said....

Hm, no comments about the most interesting part of the podcast: the idea of writing the book online with comments possible :)

If the publishers are worried about possible revenue loss, I for one would be happy to pre-order the book as a prerequisite for reading or commenting on the draft.

Keeping my fingers crossed...

Wed Sep 24, 06:55:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

The big announcement was Exadata. Oracle has developed customized hardware in collaboration with HP to run Oracle database, both for DW and OLTP applications. The Exadata server brings disks and data processing next to each other so the IO bottleneck is drastically reduced. I wish I could get my hands on it. HP booth had only half a cabinet on display. I could not even get a decent picture because of the crowd.

It marks the beginning of a new line of business for Oracle: hardware. I am pretty sure it will make lot of database/hardware vendors anxious.

Fri Sep 26, 05:14:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Megan Kyte said....


Fri Sep 26, 10:40:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Mladen Gogala said....

Exadata is definitely not the first piece of hardware that Oracle tried to sell. Oracle Appliance (database as a black box) and network computer did not fare too well. Neither did OracleAS nor Oracle Enterprise Linux. I haven't seen too many sites with Oracle Enterprise Backup, either. As a matter of fact, surprisingly many oracle products have bitten the dust. I am mildly interested in this new Oracle SAN but I will adopt wait and see attitude. Of course, my management is rather sensitive to the sound of the d-word ("discount"), so it might be a hit if it's sufficiently cheaper then the corresponding EMC box. The problem with the Exadata is that it, at least according to my understanding, cannot be used to accomodate normal file systems like Ext3, JFS2 or ZFS. In other words, it's not a general purpose storage. Oracle should start throwing in some licenses to go with it.

Sat Oct 04, 06:55:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Jigsaw said....

i too hope its about analytics...:D

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Sun Oct 05, 02:26:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

Seems to me, one of Oracle's "selling points" - i.e., why choose Oracle over SQL Server - has always been something to the effect of "hey, you can run Oracle on any hardware or platform and it's fine, but you can't do that with SQL Server or DB2 ..."

So with all this movement into Linux and now HP, I wonder if Oracle is switching gears and taking an approach that will eventually block out anything that isn't Linux or HP. I'm already seeing hints of this with the significant delay in getting 11g out for non-SPARC Solaris machines.

Where oh where is the crystal ball when you need it ...

Sun Oct 05, 04:24:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous nick said....

Everyday, we learn about for new things.

Sat Oct 11, 08:09:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Sundancer said....

What`s up with al the analytics???
Great blog btw keep up the good work!!!

Marsha Phillips

Tue Oct 14, 02:44:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

OracleAS was not successful? Anyone want to counter that? I didn't have that impression somehow.

Fri Oct 17, 02:02:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

I get tired of 'countering' all of the time.

True, the Raw Iron initiative of the mid/late 1990's along with the network computer (NC) were a bit ahead of the curve. Wonder what the NC would do today? Probably as good if not better then this, which has been quite successful and is raw iron reborn. And the network computer - looks like this a bit just ten years before people were ready to accept it.

IAS was actually quite successful, as is the Enterprise Linux offering (if you notice, neither are dead and in fact, the Enterprise Linux team I know for a fact is alive, well, growing...)

As for 'surprisingly many oracle products have bitten the dust'... well - to that, I say "no duh". Things change. Anyone remember "Oracle in Motion", "Oracle Mobile", "Oracle Mobile Agents" (they were all the same - just different names). It was quite popular - until EVDO, Edge and other better ways to do the same thing (wireless connectivity) came about.

Fri Oct 17, 04:54:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Joel Garry said....

Where oh where is the crystal ball when you need it ...

Oracle sells that too.

word: nttbuxm

Fri Oct 17, 05:53:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....


I have to disagree that Network Computer was ahead of its time. I think it was just limited product with too narrow a market, and it still is.

That ASUS Eee PC has a disk and a real OS. If I remember correctly, the Network Computer was diskless (like the Sun Ray).


Scott McNealy is still pushing these things as suitable replacements for business PCs. Can you imagine using a laptop without local storage?

Tue Oct 21, 04:34:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous glenm said....

http://www.thinlinx.com/products/1.html is like a network computer but with flash storage and a Linux OS. Maybe a good compromise in today's world of web/google etc.

Wed Oct 22, 06:24:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

Scott McNealy is still pushing these things as suitable replacements for business PCs. Can you imagine using a laptop without local storage?

my laptop? probably, the way I use it, it would work. I do not pull it out on planes much anymore (that is now my time, I read or sleep and that is it). In airports, I use a) my brower, b) IM client, c) email client. I access any document I truly need via the browser or email - and this is becoming more and more true. The tools I use are telnet, IM client, browser and email.

my desktop? Absolutely - 100% - entirely. I would be thrilled.

Thu Oct 23, 08:16:00 AM EDT  

Anonymous Darren said....

I believe it's all the new hype... well maybe not so new.

Cloud Computing anyone?

Wed Oct 29, 11:39:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

Oh man,, Will I get to see another blog topic from you. this blog is my homepage. Guess I may to change it.

Sat Nov 08, 05:55:00 PM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

Larry was ahead of his time, the big problem has (and to a certain extent still is) the network infrastructure.

The future will be access to all your documents regardless of the device you happen to be using. The only information stored locally will be current session o/s state, all your personal docs will be hosted on a server.

I still believe there will be a massive market storing, organising and securing peoples personal data ala mobileMe. As a consumer I don't want my pics on Flickr, my music on MobileMe and my Calendar/Email on Gmail. I want it all held in one place!

Come on Oracle, give us a definitive service.

Wed Nov 19, 08:36:00 AM EST  

Blogger whoissecretdubai said....


A humble request...

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Thu Dec 04, 02:47:00 AM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

Hi tom,

I'm sure i've picked up somewhere on the net that the infrequency of your posting these days is a conscious decision. Is that the case?

If so please come back!

A fan

Mon Dec 08, 11:37:00 AM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

IO bottleneck: Don't SSDs also provide this, in effect?

Tue Dec 09, 10:03:00 AM EST  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

@anonymous regarding SSD

No, not at all. The goal here is to push the where clause to the disk - to avoid sending data from the storage array to the database instance in the first place.

There are three things about exadata:

a) more pipes (fibre channel and lots of them)

b) wider pipes (fibre channel)

c) send LESS (lots less) data over the pipes (smart scan, push where clause down to disk)

Just like SMP hits the wall at 64'ish (before even) cpu's due to memory being too slow to bring into the cpu cache - moving data from the storage network to the server is the bottleneck.

SSD has the same bottleneck - too few, narrow pipes returning too much data.

Tue Dec 09, 10:07:00 AM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

"a) more pipes (fibre channel and lots of them)

b) wider pipes (fibre channel)"

I think you mean infiniband, not fibre channel.

Tue Dec 09, 04:36:00 PM EST  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

@anonymous regarding infiband

doh! yes...

Tue Dec 09, 04:41:00 PM EST  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

OK, now the "network computer" really is here.


Fri Dec 10, 04:37:00 PM EST  


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