Monday, October 22, 2007


Sound that out like the Road Runner cartoon - with Wiley E. Coyote, Suuuupppper Genius.

Got an email and then read on Doug's blog about MEEP... Maybe an interesting idea.  It'll be interested in hearing from a neophyte about how it all goes.  Whether they ultimately find it useful.

I'll be interested in their feedback - to see what goes on in their head. (wish they had an RSS feed on the blog.... hint hint...)

Hope this entry was not too dull, not too much like a wet Wednesday afternoon...



Blogger Raymond said....

Well, isn't that funny. I started a few months ago with taking the son of a client under my wings. He is only 14 (turning 15 soon) years old, but already build some school projects with Oracle Apex.
So he has worked his way through Concepts, Lex de Haans book, parts of your book,
and some parts of Steven Feursteins PL/SQL book. We done some basic data modelling, so he understands what the third normal form is. We are now going to tackle a bit more serious project where he can apply the knowledge again using Oracle Apex. He is bright eager and it is joy teaching him. He loves APEX.
It is not exactly as heavy as MEEP, but similar. But he has to do it after his school work. So I have no timeframe.

Tue Oct 23, 12:40:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Chirayu Sutaria said....

Hi sorry this is not the right place but I am not able to login to When I am trying to do that it says not found. Has anybody ever complained about this. It used to work earlier..

Tue Oct 23, 07:11:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

asktom's IP address was recently changed.

Make sure you have the current one in your DNS and don't have it hardcoded in a hosts file.

should be:

*** Can't find server name for address Non-existent domain
*** Can't find server name for address Non-existent domain
*** Default servers are not available
Server: UnKnown

Non-authoritative answer:

Tue Oct 23, 08:45:00 AM EDT  

Anonymous JL said....

Hi, i recently find (it has a lot of time) the usability in web. There is a great book by steve krug, "donĀ“t make me think".

...i guess this "MEEP" will be something like that.

Tue Oct 23, 09:32:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Don said....

Firefox detected an atom feed on the 90 days blog. It's using the blogger default of

Unless your reader doesn't support atom for whatever reason. Google Reader is my feed reader of choice.

Tue Oct 23, 11:12:00 AM EDT  

Blogger cycloscott said....

"He has been given Mr Kyte's latest book and he'll read a chapter per day (total of 13) "

Is he reading a subset of Expert Oracle, or is this referring to the second volume of the Expert series?

Tue Oct 23, 12:42:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

as to the 13...

I wrote 15, not sure if that was a typo on their part - but if you comment on their blog, they might answer ;)

Tue Oct 23, 01:02:00 PM EDT  

Blogger cycloscott said....

Heyyyyyyyyy, that's not answering the question. ;) You could have 15 chapters in the next book as well.

select chapter_count, title from books where auther_last_name = 'KYTE';

2 rows returned...
15, 'Expert Oracle: Database Architecture'
15, 'Toms Next Book to be released during Open World'

Tue Oct 23, 01:17:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Stan said....

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Tue Oct 23, 02:21:00 PM EDT  

Blogger knut said....

To me Firefox suggests

Wed Oct 24, 01:22:00 AM EDT  

Anonymous Doug Burns said....

"To me Firefox suggests"


Wed Oct 24, 01:52:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

the comments about the blog feed are because I said I couldn't find a feed - but I was talking about the blog site of the guy reading the book - not Doug's, not Mogen's

someone suggested:

and that seems to be it.

Wed Oct 24, 02:40:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous doug c said....

Which Cary book do they mean - the one with Jeff Holt about performance?

Sun Oct 28, 04:37:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Alberto Dell'Era said....

Doug - yes, Cary Millsap/Jeff Holts's
Optimizing Oracle Performance

Mon Oct 29, 05:51:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

Hi Tom,

Do you have a schedule of your talks or lectures posted somewhere?

I am wondering if you're going to give any talk/lecture around the Boston/Cambridge in the near future.

Mon Oct 29, 11:11:00 PM EDT  

Blogger sphealey said....

I would recommend that you start with _A Visual Introduction to SQL_ by Chappel et. al. This is the best introduction to SQL I have ever encountered. The only problem is that in my opinion the first edition is better-written and more understandable, but it does not cover subqueries and outer joins. The 2nd edition does cover those topics but the added material is not as good as the work of the original authors.

Creating and managing the example tables for that text in Oracle should also give you experience with DDL and DBA tasks.

I would then proceed to Celko's _SQL for Smarties_, which contains a lot of interesting SQL puzzles. Solving these puzzles helps develop more complex SQL skills. Celko doesn't always agree with Kyte on SQL best practices, but the contrast between the two is a good thing.

Unfortunately, the best approach is to have some real problems to solve along the way - that is how most of the people who contribute to these forums learned. In my case I was suddenly faced with being responsible for an Oracle database as the manager, DBA, and developer. I worked interactively through the books under discussion here with the added pressure of needing to find solutions so that my family could continue eating ;-) The combination of research and application is difficult for a student to duplicate.


Thu Nov 01, 10:22:00 AM EDT  


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