Friday, May 13, 2005

On Blogging

Here is a recursive posting -- a blog about blogging, thoughts on this blogging thing in general.

I’ve been reading through other blogs more and more – to see what others are doing with this and have been intrigued by the concept. One site I stumbled onto is really good, had I known, I might have started over there instead of here.

But as this site here was part of google, it got my attention. Everything google so far has been good. But perhaps this is proof positive that not everything coming from an individual is going to be top notch. Don’t get me wrong, for the price – this blogspot site cannot be beat easily (it is free) but the interface is a little sketchy in places (hint, if you start blogging on this site – do all of your edits else where and just past into the little box and fix up things. Do not rely on that editor to actually have your content when you submit it, been there, done that).

What I like about the ittoolbox blogs is the front page – it is like a newspaper. I’ve read quite a few good articles over there, it is definitely a site I’ll be visiting (and maybe someday move to).

The other blogs I like and have been reading are:

The Oracle Sponge – by David Aldridge. . He has a technical yet funny concept going. And his online practical guide to Oracle Data Warehousing is well done. It is hosted on databasejournal.com and freely accessible to all. Frequently updated, check back often.

The Dizwell Blog – by Howard Rogers, self proclaimed “hero”. Sometimes technical, but many times funny, if you want to see a howler, his April 12th entry was, well – it was exceptional. Moderately updated, check back at least weekly.

Mark Rittman’s Oracle Weblog -- by, well, obviously by Mark. If you are into BI tools and Oracle, that is what Mark is all about. His is mostly a technical blog, but is sprinkled with opinion and pointers to other places. I’ve always found it to be a good read – as far as I can remember, it was the first blog I ever really read. Constantly updated, check back often.

PeteFinnigan.com Limited, for the security conscious amongst us. I was unaware of this blog until a couple of months ago when I got written up myself (grrr). But, he was right and it’s been corrected and has a much lower chance of happening again. Constantly updated, check back often.

And lastly -- Niall’s Oracle Pages. Just musings on the database, the world, commentary. The updates come and go in spurts, check back every now and again…

And another that isn't technically a blog but is a blog in reality. The Jonathan Lewis website. I am so jealous of his ability to write as he does (and he is not a bad speaker either). I hope he has to work really hard at making it look that easy :) But his articles are always a good read and eductional. Didactic sums it up.

So, curious – anyone out there have more to add to the list? They don’t take too long to read and I’m always looking to widen my perspective. I’m not interested in totally technical, marketing like blogs – but rather where a healthy does of opinion and sometimes even attitude is displayed.

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33 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said....

http://mikerault.blogspot.com/
http://dba-oracle.blogspot.com/
with fascinating insights into horse breeding and education

Fri May 13, 02:01:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Scot from Jacksonville said....

For a technical site, I'd suggest checking out www.joelonsoftware.com by Joel Spolsky.

Don't make your judgement based solely on his current post about exceptions. The majority of his stuff, especially his archive section of articles, is quite good.

Updates have slowed down over the last 1-2 years as his company has picked up steam, but still worth checking every week or two, and it has a very nice discussion group.

Fri May 13, 02:05:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

I shall add the latter, but will be skipping most of the the former.

Fri May 13, 02:12:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Bill S. said....

I have found that, time permitting, it is almost always interesting to click that little "NEXT BLOG" button in the upper right hand corner. You get randomly taken to another blogsite - some are more interesting than others, but it is an adventure. Until you come to dba-oracle.blogspot.com
at which point I usually close the tab. ;-)

Fri May 13, 02:30:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Ajay said....

There's an Oracle blog "portal" here http://www.orablogs.com/orablogs/.

Maybe David Aldridge and HJR should have their blogs added to this list?

Fri May 13, 02:58:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Patty from Canada said....

I have a confession to make. I am a Blog Virgin. I never knew such a thing existed until I clicked on Tom's link to his blog because I was curious. Now I am addicted. Combine the discover of blogs with the installation of DSL in my remote corner of Canada and you have a woman whose husband finds her sitting in the dark in front of a computer screen at 4am. LOL

Fri May 13, 03:01:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

There's an Oracle blog

HJR should already be there, and David would just have to send his name in.

Fri May 13, 03:10:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Scot from Jacksonville said....

Patty, your comment reminds me of when I first found the internet. I just wish I could read faster.

Fri May 13, 03:30:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

your comment reminds me

Yeah, I remember when I found it -- it being Yahoo at that time. I was working my way through it alphabetically. Did not take long to figure out that by the time I read the home page on a site or two, 50 more had popped up in the letters I had already looked at.

Never did get to Z.

Fri May 13, 03:40:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Justis Durkee said....

One blog that I find very interesting is http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/
maintainted by the authors of the "Head First" book series (Head First Java, etc...). Lots of insightful ideas on teaching, learning, and creating passion.

with fascinating insights into horse breeding and education

Another perspective:
http://tinyurl.com/c4os4

Fri May 13, 03:44:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Mark said....

Thanks for the nod Tom, glad to hear my musings have been of interest.

From my point of view, the sites I check out on a regular basis would be Jonathan's miscellaneous page you mentioned earlier, HRJ's blog and Niall's site, whilst outside of Oracle I keep an eye on Joel on Software (http://www.joelonsoftware.com), Eric Sink's Weblog (http://software.ericsink.com), Adam Barr's blog (http://www.proudlyserving.com), Joshua Allen's "Better Living Through Software" (http://www.netcrucible.com/blog/)

You might also want to take a look at some other less well known Oracle blogs - Doug Burns (http://doug.burns.tripod.com/oracle/) author of the excellent PX paper, Jonathan Gennick (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/548) and the mysterious "Pete S" (http://pjs-random.blogspot.com/)

Any chance of you encouraging anyone else from the RDBMS product or development team to start a blog? It's be good to talk about some of the new features coming with 10.2, perhaps discuss some of the automatic tuning and management features in 10g. I guess there's a lot of demand out there for this sort of thing.

Fri May 13, 03:46:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

Justis Durkee said....

thanks for that one, it does look interesting. I like the title.


glad to hear my musings have been of interest

thanks for the links -- was aware of doug's, jonathan g's and pete S -- i've been there too.

As for getting others involved, I think there could be a bit of fear of saying the wrong thing in public -- disclosing something that might not be disclosable for some people (I'm hypothesizing). It's one of the reason's I stay away from internals (not just talking about them, but I stay away from them in general -- leave that for others). I cannot disclose that which I do not know. I guess they consider otn.oracle.com the formal "blog" of Oracle

Fri May 13, 03:59:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Doug Burns said....

Remember that whole
>'anonymous' thread
? Well, I'm just sick of signing up for things and that's stopped me adding a comment here at times. Is it me, or is the whole process for adding comments here a little clunky and obstructive? e.g. Can I submit a comment without applying to set up my own blog here?

Mark said ...
"Doug Burns (http://doug.burns.tripod.com/oracle/) author of the excellent PX paper"


Mmmmm ... the slightly better paper now that Tom and others have pulled me up on errors and points of argument ;-) (Final version soon ... honest!) btw, Mark, that px tracing stuff in your blog looks terrific.

Actually, being syndicated on orablogs.com has made me rather reluctant to post something that's not directly related to Oracle (and development for that matter) so I'm tempted to disconnect from it so I can just spout opinionated rubbish.

But then I had this argument with a friend the other night. His point being ... aren't blogs about personal opinions without rules?

I would just feel a bit daft posting something completely irrelevant to Oracle development now ...

Fri May 13, 07:24:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Doug Burns said....

Actually, just browsing orablogs.com there and noticed Tom's 'Travel' posting. Maybe there's no need to stick to technical Oracle dev subjects after all.

Fri May 13, 07:33:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

Remember that whole anonymous thread?

it is up to the person who owns the blog

You should need NO user/password to comment here. I've allowed for any and all comments.

Fri May 13, 07:49:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Doug Burns said....

Sorry ... just to be clear, I know I can post anonymously (and have done), I just would have liked to attach a name to the comment (otherwise it doesn't make much sense) without having to register. But now I think about it a bit more, I suppose I need to register, otherwise other people could attribute comments to me. I'm just *really* tired of registering for things.

(But I've registered here now, so that's my whinging over ...)

Fri May 13, 07:54:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

Well, no reason

anonymous said....

Hi, I'm Chevy Chase and you're not. Live from New York, it's Saturday night.....

(that should translate really well in countries outside North America, I'm sure :)

When I've posted things without "logging in" I say "hey, it is me" that way (no, not as Chevy Chase, but as 'me')

Fri May 13, 07:58:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Doug Burns said....

Somehow I think Chevy Chase and Tom Kyte may be a bit more recognisable than Doug Burns ...

Fri May 13, 08:01:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

... but, point taken.

Doug Burns

Fri May 13, 08:01:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Joel Garry said....

Well, sorry to be a bit negative, but there are necessarily negative things about google, since it is a commercial profit seeking outfit. They managed to somehow bill my American Express card for over $8K, apparently something to do with two days worth of clicks on supposed ads pointing to my unused Oracle Server google group ( http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Oracle-Server - I figured a moderated cdos-clone would be useful, but haven't figured out how to kickstart it.). Thank goodness for the Amex fraud reporting system, is all I can say positive about that. What a great business model - they bill people for clicking through, with no accountability. And I wasn't even a click through customer! How did they get my credit card, anyways?

I still think the usenet and bb model of post/response is better than the blog model of expository/not-much-response, at least for technical information dissemination. I think blogs are a fad. Over time, I expect people will get tired of writing them unless they get paid or some other reward. Just like there aren't many Jonathan Lewis quality websites, what extra value does blogging add? And the downside is, even if blogs are full of useful information, I don't think they are organized properly to find any of it over time.

Fri May 13, 08:14:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

Well, sorry to be a bit negative,

Oh, don't get me wrong -- I came here because I thought "google, good"

They proved me "less than correct" :) For searching and such -- they are the gold standard still. The other stuff is exploratory for them.

8k, that must have been a surprise and a half!

For me, the blog here has been a home away from home. I can say things I wouldn't otherwise on asktom.

But -- you are probably correct I think. Not that people will get tired of writing them -- but that people will get tired of reading them.

And I definitely agree they are not setup for finding stuff easy.

Fri May 13, 08:22:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Mark said....

As for getting others involved, I think there could be a bit of fear of saying the wrong thing in public -- disclosing something that might not be disclosable for some people (I'm hypothesizing).

True, but that's not something that seems to have stopped the tools development guys starting up blogs. People like Brian, Steve M, Debu Panda, Frank Nimphus and so on seem to be able to talk about new product developments, what's coming in future releases, and discuss the pros and cons of currently released software. I wonder if it's a cultural thing - sort of "DBAs compared to Programmers", risk averse vs. risk seeking. It may also be an organisational thing - Microsoft has lots of DB bloggers, and Microsoft is famously "blog-friendly". Anyway, it's a shame there's such a silence from Oracle around RDBMS blogs, it's something where there's a great story to tell, lots of interest and a very large potential audience.

Sat May 14, 09:03:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Mark said....

Joel Garry said:

still think the usenet and bb model of post/response is better than the blog model of expository/not-much-response, at least for technical information dissemination. I think blogs are a fad. Over time, I expect people will get tired of writing them unless they get paid or some other reward. Just like there aren't many Jonathan Lewis quality websites, what extra value does blogging add? And the downside is, even if blogs are full of useful information, I don't think they are organized properly to find any of it over time.

I think the important thing to realise here is that blogs are just another form of communication, one that's taken off in popularity due to the low barrier to entry. It's not a subsitute for technical forums, or for properly researched, peer-reviewed technical papers, but something different, more like a syndicated column in a newspaper or a "fly on the wall" documentary about someone you find interesting. Not a replacement for usenet or Oracle-L, more an interesting diversion for people who are looking for additional background information.

Sat May 14, 09:08:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Pete_S said....

Mark said ...and the mysterious "Pete S"
I'm not really mysterious: Pseudonymous perhaps, barking mad, maybe.

Sat May 14, 04:41:00 PM EDT  

Anonymous Anonymous said....

I must say, Jonathan Lewis is no way better than you. And, in my opinion, his web site adds very little value to an oracle developer or user.

Sat May 14, 05:07:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

I must say, Jonathan Lewis

Well, never said he was better, or worse. I have said he excels on areas I ignore and vice versa.

You don't find the cooperative FAQ he hosts useful?...

But anyway, I was just pointing out the blogs I myself read and I consider Jonathan's site to be virtually a blog, even if not in the conventional sense. I find it a good read (and I usually learn something)

Sat May 14, 05:16:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Peter K said....

Tom, good choices in terms of some of the blogs but not sure about the IT Toolbox. I have not had a chance to go through a number of the blogs but the ones that caught my interests (Enterprise Architecture and Oracle), I have glanced at. I am really upset with one of the posting by James McGovern (Enterprise Architect) which is basically India-blashing and smack of racisim. Blog entry.

Unfortunately that wasn't the only entry posted by the author which is really, really sad.

Sat May 14, 10:35:00 PM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

but not sure about the IT Toolbox

Yeah, I saw that -- appears he sort of tried to pull it too. If you page through his entries on http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/leadership/ it isn't in there anymore. And it isn't in his archive list either. So you have a deep link to a retracted article (maybe the system works after all)

But, I have my own personal filters -- I read it, couldn't believe it, filed the name away, then forgot about it.

I Will probably continue to glance at his stuff if the title grabs me, but a single blogger should not indict an entire site.

I'm pretty certain you could find some questionable material here on the blogspot as well.

Sun May 15, 09:14:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Jeff Hunter said....

Whenever I need a chuckle, I go to waiterrant.blogspot.com. Maybe it's a New York thing, but die laughing almost every time I read it...

Mon May 16, 08:33:00 AM EDT  

Anonymous Scot from Jacksonville said....

Hey Doug, if it helps, there are three ways to post on this site. "Blogger" requires a username. "Anonymous" is what it says.

But did you check out "Other"? That is how I am posting now. You get a name, but don't have to register.

And if someone wants to pretend to be me, well more power to them. Maybe they'll chip in on one of my credit card bills :)

Mon May 16, 08:52:00 AM EDT  

Blogger mattypenny said....

Tom,

Just a thought:

If you didn't already, you might want to investigate a blog aggregator to avoid the business of remembering to check back on each blog every once a week, or every day, or whenever.

I've been using 'bloglines' for a few months now and it seems to me to be quite good. It (optionally)only displays updated blogs in your blog list.

I've subscribed to many of the blogs mentioned here - I believe I can send my list of subscriptions in an email for you to import into a new bloglines account, if you (or anyone else) wants to save a bit of time - let me know - my email address is in my profile.

Cheers

Matt

Mon May 16, 10:10:00 AM EDT  

Blogger Thomas Kyte said....

you might want to investigate a blog aggregator

I was actually looking for one -- thanks, I'll give that a try out.

Mon May 16, 11:36:00 AM EDT  

Anonymous Doug Burns said....

Scott said

"But did you check out "Other"? That is how I am posting now. You get a name, but don't have to register."

Thanks Scott! Maybe being described as 'Other' was too disconcerting, but it works for me.

Mon May 16, 08:37:00 PM EDT  

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